Guide Difference between ILE and SLE

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The FI vulnerable

ILE too trusting, can't discern enemy from peoples who want there good so they approach it this way.

SLE opposite can be paranoid thinking everyone is out to get them even peoples closest to them.

It make sense they approach it this way considering the two social missions.

ILE guided by NE curiosity.

SLE SE can't afford to lose.

Now with feeling proximity to people's they are both equally bad and see very badly bonds, deep feelings, considering someone closer cause they did things for them.

That said SLE are still better at letting the other person know they are still on good terms and keeping the right psychological distance but that's mostly SE that help them stay grounded. They still need reinsurance they are liked and there vulnerable show in them placing a great deal of importance on the other person not making any "mistakes" that's the other part of the paranoid side.

ILE are just completely oblivious to psychological distance they can become very cold very suddenly and are really unaware of the drastic shift in proximity. Can comeback an hour later being friendly again.

With ILE becoming cold it can sound ordinary but with them it's really distinct from experience. I get everyone as there day i can be like that too sometimes ig but it's something particular to them they really make you questions how close you two really are sometimes it feels like you become a stranger to them. I could elab more.

Now more on the morality aspect it's mostly when they are unhealthy but
When unhealthy

SLE: Untrustworthy, sadistic. Better sense of boundaries but will flout them regardless to provoke/humiliate someone, get what they want or if they consider you weak or beneath them.

ILE: Annoying, disrespectful, creepy

Now idk if its just that i never met an healthy SLE but every i saw really get a thrill on crushing other to get on top they like confrontation and need to make it as dramatic as possible when there is one . When unhealthy they'll directly try to provok you and make you mad to really hurt you or make you lose composure.

ILE generally avoid this they don't like direct confrontation and don't have the stamina of SLE for them they don't get energized by this they also still value harmony unlike SLE Alpha /Beta SI valued vs SE and FE- vs FE+

The most ILE can do is give quick rebuff to peoples or attacking there intellect make someone look stupid by ridiculing them being sarcastic.

When unhealthy tho they just try to make other look stupid for no reason and start being annoying with this.


Disrespectful well both don't really respect norms and tradition and are most likely to break them.

In the approach they will be different ILE more by arguing.
SLE directly breaking it by action to destroy it.

 

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The NE vs SE is probably what's easier to notice.

SE exert a vibe of control or like it's said in descriptions latent threat. When they are somewhere they just take up place even if not actually physically imposing it's hard to ignore them specially if they don't want to be ignored they will make it that they are not ignored. They can sit back and observe more though sometimes.

There is 2 SLE usually. One who try to take control of the situation anywhere he go and the one who live to just break the rules.

ILE
Well NE in the cloud very slippery you can never quite get them it feels like, too volatile. Getting attention its with there proposition and what they say that is always most disconnected from the reality but can also be very clever when they see something other missed they try to get other fascinated capture attention with this kind of mental exploration. Either peoples follow them or they do not. With that they get a reputation for this and they can become liked cause people always subconsciously wait for them to make those clever comments that come effortlessly to them. Even if disconnected its entertaining for people and can be useful.


SLE like i said will make sure you can't ignore them. To get attention usually anywhere will just take on the role of leader and try to show everyone they are better at something that is valued there and position themselves as superior, will try to prove it and take on the challenge so that no one can question them. When they have control over a situation it feels like they cover all sides and there is no weakness.

When unhealthy they will once again break rules too to get attention if needed.

But with ILE its more so again arguing try to make other look stupid trying show everyone how incredible there mind is. Can even try to act confrontational too when arguing but its overdone and it's not in control and as intense as an SE base not really taken seriously. It's better used for its purpose as a defense.

With SLE it's not in the cloud, dreamy, eccentric they are more direct and bold with there energy it's being loud, scream, something taboo let me shove it in there face to shock everyone being as edgy as possible hence why always rape, sex, gore, murder with them and again the SI unvalued not caring about harmony help there they will do anything to get attention. Ishowspeed who is SEE is a good example.

If there is a certain trend or something they will make it a point to go completely the opposite direction. It's not something unseen but things people are already aware of but ignore cause it's grotesque and break the harmony they are aware and feel no shame breaking that.

Its has to with NE role who make a point of asserting uniqueness too the role it's never in control like the lead too so it result in them overdoing it with less effective results.


Said in the description of SE base
Asserts his own uniqueness, originality. Sees no need to get someone's approval for a particular action;

3. Role function -I - intuition of possibilities. Type Marshal (Zhukov, ESTP, SLE)

Periodically becomes pensive. He withdraws into himself, reflecting on the prospects of business and newly opening opportunities. By forcing himself, he achieves what others seem almost impossible. Boldly answers the challenge when his abilities are questioned. He considers himself endowed with an extraordinary mind. Captures the situation as a whole. Flexibly rebuilds if the case has lost perspective. In public, he demonstrates his erudition and fundamental knowledge with pleasure. Do not mind acting as a patron or philanthropist.

3. Role function + I - intuition of possibilities. Politician Type (Napoleon, ESFP, SEA)

Strives to present himself as an original, non-standard personality that does not fit into any framework. Tends to oppose others. Can support a conversation on any topic, demonstrating his knowledge of a little bit of everything. Information grasps quickly, but shallowly. Periodically thinks, plunging into himself. At such moments, it seems to him that people perceive him not as he really is. Quite capricious and fastidious. He will not fail to emphasize his wide possibilities and great prospects. Often at the same time he argues and disagrees, defending the opposite point of view out of principle.

With NE lead they don't try to assert this as much it just happens they are not even aware cause the lead is so strong its the constant method of perceiving things.


SE just has an intense oppressive like energy you can't miss.

NE someone who is not there but still here too at all time. He drift then comeback and repeat

 

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The use of TI too different.

SLE at the end are better at using there logic in competitive situations.

Can still be good at defending there point but usually they don't argue to try to do some kind of mental exploration and find some truth. Unless they ask you a question about something they really don't know hence why they are asking. They don't leave any room for appeal or further deviation from there personal point of view when stating something.

This point of view is always based on there SE leading which is what benefits them.

If you try to argue against them they will not be objective, lots of half truth, cherry picked examples that don't represent the situation and so on. Personal attacks if needed the goal is to win.

Alpha search for the truth
Beta already have the truth

You need tools to assert it now. You can't value NE and try to see others point of view and considering all the possibilities, allowing weakness vs peoples who are in the wrong and need to be wiped out with there old wrong ideas.


Even unhealthy again like i said.

ILE will try to argue in inappropriate ways at times but if you don't get offended they'll be glad and continue debating . If you get offended and start moving away from the debate they'll don't bother further they need someone objective to debate with or else it's not fun.

SLE if see that they didn't piss you off will be disappointed and try until they can.

They don't care about debating and mental exploration if they don't gain something from it, talking quickly get boring to them and this tire them out.

They want someone where they go at each other and intense emotions are involved, who cares about being objective, it's the competition that's fun and who win no need to be objective for this.

ILE avoid those intense atmospheres.

 

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Physical appearance.

ILE look like a fox or the way the eyes and nose are set up with there skull can give them a snake look.

SLE i find them the easiest to notice. Even when there nose is big its positioned in a way where it's very neutral and don't take place in the face . Im not sure if it's upturned but the nose is positioned up like. The brows come down hard on the nose giving them somewhat an angry look. The eyes also SLE looking right through you with intense focus. Seem like the pupil are bigger.

ILE eyes it seems lost looking somewhere else even when looking at you it feels like they are still seing something else.